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Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:13
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Les mêmes méthodes que les Nazis

Dans la nuit de dimanche à lundi, en Iran dans la région de Shiraz, l’armée islamique a débarqué dans les foyers de confession juive afin d’en finir avec la présence juive du territoire iranien.
Suite à nos informations encore non confirmées, sur les 15 000 fidèles que compte la communauté juive de Shiraz, 1700 juifs ont été enlevés puis assassinés. L’identification des corps est en cours bien que la confusion règne puisque la liste des victimes n’a pas était encore établie.
En effet, dans les environs de 23h45, les forces de l’armée islamique sont intervenues sans faire aucune distinction, enfants, femmes et hommes de tout ages.
L’arrivé des soldats dans la région a suscité la panique chez les juifs iraniens et nombreux sont ceux qui ont eu assez de temps pour prendre la fuite par les sous sols de leurs habitations.
Toujours d’après nos estimations, 3000 juifs se sont réfugiés dans un gymnase sous la protection des autorités suisses.
De plus, une partie de la communauté, aussi bien de Shiraz que de Téhéran, prend la fuite au-delà du territoire iranien. On compte plus de 2000 juifs s’étant exilés dans des pays voisins ou en Europe par l’aéroport international de Téhéran.
L’ambassade américaine s’est engagée à extrader tous ses ressortissants de confession juive, et tentera par la suite de sortir des frontières iraniennes les juifs dans leur ensemble, en commençant par ceux de Téhéran.
En ce moment même, plusieurs milliers de juifs sont concentrés à l’aéroport de la capitale dans l’espoir de sortir du territoire.
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:16
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Source?
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:17
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J'ai fait le tour du net - rien
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:23
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Il joue à l'idiot pour discréditer les alertes à l'antisémitisme, ou alors tente de lancer une rumeur pour tester le sérieux des forumers. Dans les deux cas, il nous prend pour des idiots, d'ailleurs j'en suis un de répondre.
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:27
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Non pasque la je regarde les infos, un truc pareil ça devrait faire parler.
Et là rien.
Sur internet : rien, sur les chaines infos en continue : rien .
Donc je me demande d'où sort cette info.
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:28
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C'est sur que ce n'est pas dans le dailymotion que vous trouverez la confirmation de cette info
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:28
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QUOTE (twinsusers @ 14 Nov 2006 à 20:13)

Suite à nos informations encore non confirmées,

J'aime bien ce passage.

J'ai cherché sur le net, je n'ai pas trouvé la moindre trace de cet article. Qui en est l'auteur stp ?

Non pas que ça m'intéresse, mais ça me parait gros.
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:28
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Il faut indiquer la source twinsusers.
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:30
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Tu l'as reçu par MP Karim06
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:31
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tiens ça me fait penser au gouvernement israelien...ils utilisent les meme methodes que les Nazis egalement...decidement
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:33
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm


Iran's proud but discreet Jews
By Frances Harrison
BBC News, Tehran



The Jewish presence dates back nearly 3,000 years.
Although Iran and Israel are bitter enemies, few know that Iran is home to the largest number of Jews anywhere in the Middle East outside Israel.


About 25,000 Jews live in Iran and most are determined to remain no matter what the pressures - as proud of their Iranian culture as of their Jewish roots.

It is dawn in the Yusufabad synagogue in Tehran and Iranian Jews bring out the Torah and read the ancient text before making their way to work.

It is not a sight you would expect in a revolutionary Islamic state, but there are synagogues dotted all over Iran where Jews discreetly practise their religion.

"Because of our long history here we are tolerated," says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.

He says the father of Iran's revolution, Imam Khomeini, recognised Jews as a religious minority that should be protected.

As a result Jews have one representative in the Iranian parliament.

"Imam Khomeini made a distinction between Jews and Zionists and he supported us," says Mr Hammami.

'Anti-Jewish feeling'

In the Yusufabad synagogue the announcements are made in Persian - most Iranian Jews don't really speak Hebrew well.

Jews have lived in Persia for nearly 3,000 years - the descendants of slaves from Babylon saved by Cyrus the Great.

Over the centuries there have been sporadic purges, pogroms and forced conversions to Islam as well as periods of peaceful co-existence.

These days anti-Jewish feeling is periodically stirred by the media.

Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you

Hersel Gabriel

Mr Hammami says state-run television confuses Zionism and Judaism so that "ordinary people may think that whatever the Israelis do is supported by all Jews".

During the fighting in Lebanon a hardline weekly newspaper, Yalesarat, published two photographs of synagogues on its front page full of people waving Israeli flags celebrating Israeli independence day.

The paper falsely said the synagogues were in Iran - even describing one as the Yusufabad synagogue in Tehran and locating another in Shiraz.

"This provoked a number of opportunists in Shiraz," explains Iran's Jewish MP, Maurice Mohtamed, "and there was an assault on two synagogues."

Mr Mohtamed says the incident was defused by the Iranian security forces, who explained to people that the news was not true.

And with the coming to power of an ultra-conservative like President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, there has been increased concern internationally about the fate of Iranian Jews.

'Holocaust denial'

Mr Ahmedinejad has repeatedly used rabid anti-Israeli rhetoric - slogans like "wipe Israel off the map" - and most controversially he has questioned the number killed in the Holocaust during World War II.

Mr Mohtamed has been outspoken in his condemnation of the president's views - in itself a sign that there is some space for Jews in Iran to express themselves.


President Ahmedinejad has repeatedly used anti-Israeli rhetoric

"It's very regrettable to see a horrible tragedy so far reaching as the Holocaust being denied ... it was a very big insult to Jews all around the world," says Mr Mohtamed, who has also strongly condemned the exhibition of cartoons about the Holocaust organised by an Iranian newspaper owned by the Tehran municipality.

Despite the offence Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has caused to Jews around the world, his office recently donated money for Tehran's Jewish hospital.

It is one of only four Jewish charity hospitals worldwide and is funded with money from the Jewish diaspora - something remarkable in Iran where even local aid organisations have difficulty receiving funds from abroad for fear of being accused of being foreign agents.

Most of the patients and staff are Muslim these days, but director Ciamak Morsathegh is Jewish.

"Anti-Semitism is not an eastern phenomenon, it's not an Islamic or Iranian phenomenon - anti-Semitism is a European phenomenon," he says, arguing that Jews in Iran even in their worst days never suffered as much as they did in Europe.

Israeli family ties

But there are legal problems for Jews in Iran - if one member of a Jewish family converts to Islam he can inherit all the family's property.

Jews cannot become army officers and the headmasters of the Jewish schools in Tehran are all Muslim, though there is no law that says this should be so.

But their greatest vulnerability is their links to Israel - where many Jews have relatives.

Seven years ago a group of Jews in the southern city of Shiraz was accused of spying for Israel - eventually they were all released. But today many Iranian Jews travel to and from Iran's enemy Israel.


An anti-Israeli 'Holocaust cartoon contest' was held in Tehran

In one of Tehran's six remaining kosher butcher's shops, everyone has relatives in Israel.

In between chopping up meat, butcher Hersel Gabriel tells me how he expected problems when he came back from Israel, but in fact the immigration officer didn't say anything to him.

"Whatever they say abroad is lies - we are comfortable in Iran - if you're not political and don't bother them then they won't bother you," he explains.

His customer, middle-aged housewife Giti agrees, saying she can easily talk to her two sons in Tel Aviv on the telephone and visit them.

"It's not a problem coming and going; I went to Israel once through Turkey and once through Cyprus and it was not problem at all," she says.

Gone are the early days of the Iranian revolution when Jews - and many Muslims - found it hard to get passports to travel abroad.

"In the last five years the government has allowed Iranian Jews to go to Israel freely, meet their families and when they come back they face no problems," says Mr Mohtamed.

He says there is also a way for Iranian Jews who emigrated to Israel decades ago to return to Iran and see their families.

"They can now go to the Iranian consul general in Istanbul and get Iranian identity documents and freely come to Iran," he says.

The exodus of Jews from Iran seems to have slowed down - the first wave was in the 1950s and the second was in the wake of the Iranian Revolution.

Those Jews who remain in Iran seem to have made a conscious decision to stay put.

"We are Iranian and we have been living in Iran for more than 3,000 years," says the Jewish hospital director Ciamak Morsathegh.

"I am not going to leave - I will stay in Iran under any conditions," he declares.

Ce message a été modifié par Sonia_fan_amina - Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:36.
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:35
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QUOTE (twinsusers @ 14 Nov 2006 à 20:30)
Tu l'as reçu par MP Karim06

Et pourquoi t'en ferais pas profiter tout le monde ?? mellow.gif

Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:37
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je savais aps qu'il y en avait autant en Iran...interessant l'article sonia!
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:39
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QUOTE (stylishS @ 14 Nov 2006 à 20:31)
tiens ça me fait penser au gouvernement israelien...ils utilisent les meme methodes que les Nazis egalement...decidement

Ah bon j'ai cru que c'est le Hezbollah qui copiait les méthodes de l'Iran
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:41
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Il a honte des sites sur lesquels il traîne, c’est pour cela qu’il ne donne jamais de source(c’est une habitude chez lui).
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:43
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QUOTE (twinsusers @ 14 Nov 2006 à 20:39)
Ah bon j'ai cru que c'est le Hezbollah qui copiait les méthodes de l'Iran

...et voila un joli exemple de manque de repartie totale!!! biggrin.gif ....mais tu t'ameliores!!
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:44
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QUOTE (Soleil Rouge @ 14 Nov 2006 à 20:41)
Il a honte des sites sur lesquels il traîne, c’est pour cela qu’il ne donne jamais de source(c’est une habitude chez lui).

J'ai vu le site honteux que tu regardes Soleil Rouge digne du vice lard de Darth vicious
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:44
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QUOTE (Soleil Rouge @ 14 Nov 2006 à 20:41)
Il a honte des sites sur lesquels il traîne, c’est pour cela qu’il ne donne jamais de source(c’est une habitude chez lui).

C'est en effet ce dont j'ai l'impression.


A partir de là, quelle crédibilité crois tu avoir avec tes articles sortis d'on ne sait ou Twinusers ? rolleyes.gif

Ou tu assumes les articles que tu postes et les sites dont ils sont tirés, ou tu t'abstiens.

Ce message a été modifié par dansvot'gueule - Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:45.
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:44
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QUOTE (stylishS @ 14 Nov 2006 à 20:37)
je savais aps qu'il y en avait autant en Iran...interessant l'article sonia!

Oui Stylish et meme Jean Paul Sartre a dit que le vrai juif d'aujoud'hui n'est pas le fils d'Isaac mais celui d'Ismael
Tuesday 14 November 2006 à 20:46
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La constitution de 1979 reconnait les Juifs comme une minorité religieuse et leur accorde un siège réservé au Parlement, c'est aujourd'hui Maurice Motamed qui occupe ce poste. Comme les chrétiens, les Juifs n'ont pas été persécutés

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juifs_d'Iran


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